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Well, I'm sure you've all had a peek at a very, very amazing and I think fantastic

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article that has appeared in one of our Boston papers written by John H. LaTrell.

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It's a story of two people from Fort Smith, New Hampshire who allegedly met, talked to,

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and were even examined by beings from another planet.

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And John, we're very happy that you could come in this morning because I'd like to

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find out all I can about this.

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So would I.

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Well, let's start from the beginning.

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How did you happen to catch onto this story anyway?

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Well, it's ironic, Alan, because I fell into it and didn't know what I had, not for several weeks.

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And it involved talking to someone who, in turn, had been talking with the hills.

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But this story had been kept pretty much under wraps for a matter of almost four years.

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The first year of necessity because the hills themselves didn't know what had happened.

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They are still sure what happened.

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And they are saying none of what has appeared in the newspapers.

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But it was the type of story that was so challenging, so provocative, that we had to explore it

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to its fullest possible degree.

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And when we managed to get a composite, get everything that we could get without getting

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the hills themselves, and at this point it must be said that they are very strict, they

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are unwillingness to lend themselves to something that could be pure sensationalism, pure out

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of this world science fiction is to be commended.

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But when we got the story and got it all together, we decided that it was a story that had to

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be told.

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And it, like the hills, had to be told in a very restrained manner.

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If it's to be believed at all.

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And I think perhaps that's the question that's been asked of us most of all during this past

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week.

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Do you believe it?

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And Alan, I don't know.

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You really don't know?

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I really don't know.

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And I don't think that it's my job at all to believe or to disbelieve.

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Because my only talent, my only ability, and certainly my only purpose is to collect all

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of the facts, to weigh them, to determine the credibility, to prove them or disprove them

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as much as I can, and then to present them and let them read it, and in this case this

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morning to listen to it.

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Make up his or her own mind.

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Well, you had to start somewhere, John.

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And I know you're reluctant as any newspaper man would be to divulge all your sources,

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but I assume they're as authentic as they can be.

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They are, they are, they are.

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But I think of those, John, who might have just joined, excuse me for interrupting, and

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perhaps have not read the article.

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Why don't we briefly tell them what this is all about in a nutshell, then we'll get back

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to the particular.

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In a nutshell, it's sort of a three-part sequence.

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Number one, Mr. and Mrs. Hill returning from vacation in Canada to their home in Torts

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with New Hampshire via Franconia Match on Route 3, shortly before midnight on the night

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of September 19th, 1961, saw a strange object in the sky.

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It's maneuvering, it's brilliant, so attracted their attention, they stopped, got out of

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that car and looked at it.

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And it zoomed in that direction and then zoomed away and as if it were controlling playfully

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in the skies.

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And you can just watch something like this for so long and what else can you do?

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So they get back into that car, they proceeded down Route 3, and this is now in the general

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area between Indian Head and Groveston.

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And now they became aware of this thing hovering directly over that car at a much lower altitude.

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And they became aware of strange sounds emanating from the trunk area of that car.

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Sounds that we might describe as a beep, but yet if you were to really describe it, it might

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be that, say, of a tuning fork.

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It twang.

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Again, they stopped the car.

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Now they had binoculars with them, they had them for vacation purposes, they didn't have

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them, especially along because they hoped to see something in the sky, they just were

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there.

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And now they get out of the car and they became aware of this thing, whatever it was, illuminated

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brilliantly from within but casting no light outside, hovering perhaps a hundred feet,

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the equivalent of a ten-story building, almost directly over their car but perhaps a bit

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off to the side of the road.

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Now Mr. Hill, using the binoculars, recalls being able to see movement, see life, and to

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actually discern the presence of figures, people moving around through two rows of glass windows.

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Now this in and of itself was such an unnerving sight that by Mr. Hill's own admission to his

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friends and to a gathering of the UFO study group in Quincy Not too long ago, he penned

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and he ran back to his car in sheer absolute horror and tried to speed away from this object.

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So much for the second part.

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The third and most fantastic part is something that the Hill's, until the underwent hypnotic

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therapy had no conscious memory of it all.

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And this is later on perhaps ten or fifteen minutes or maybe ten or fifteen miles down

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the road and rounding a curve to the left.

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He became aware of this immense, well what seemed to be an orange ball, glowing in the

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woods off the highway.

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And that car, excuse me, that car suddenly rolled to a complete stop.

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The engine simply failed.

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And as the car rolled to a stop, several men formed a cord and a human roadblock.

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And they tried stopping the car to get away from these people.

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They were certainly very, very frightened.

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And the men surrounded the car, opened the doors, took them out, guided them in a path

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through the woods to the source of this light that supported to be a spaceship, had conversation

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with them, tried to away their fears in English.

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One man spoke English or is purported to have spoken English.

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Again, there is no proof whether there was an actual conversation or whether this was

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a transmission of thought waves, telepathy, or something of the sort.

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Mrs. Hill's best memory as a result of hypnotic treatment is that there was an actual conversation

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because she recalls speaking.

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John, I think also at this point we should bring out that even though this occurred in

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the year 1961, this thing didn't come to a head so that you got the story until Mrs.

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Hill was having bad dreams, nightmares, so terrible that she went to psychiatrists.

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That's all began, isn't it?

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That's correct.

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And she ended up by going where finally?

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She was finally referred professionally to one of the country's outstanding psycho hypnotists

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here in Boston.

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And therein began a series of hypnotic treatments.

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And for the uninformed, for people who think that hypnosis is just a theatrical act, someone

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sitting on the edge of a stage and another one dangling a watch in front of them and

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hopefully to make them stand on their heads and draw a great big crowd reaction.

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Hypnosis today is used quite professionally not only to get at the very basis of psychiatric

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problems itself, but also to alleviate the pains of childbirth, is used extensively in

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dentistry.

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It has become now a science in its own right.

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And it's well now that she of course didn't realize at the time that she had made this

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contact and this was brought out through the psychiatric treatment, correct?

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That's correct.

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Now you say that when he first began to question her, he went back regressively actually day

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by day by day.

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Yes, that ultimately was the course that he pursued.

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It was apparent in the case of both Mr. Hill and Mr. Hill who did they both have a common

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experience.

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Both were made to undergo hypnosis separately, I think.

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And did he get the same answers apparently from both?

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Essentially yes.

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That's amazing.

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Did he also have nightmares?

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No, Mr. Hill himself didn't.

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And yet he didn't recall this happening until he went to the psychiatrist, is that correct?

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Yes, and not for some many, many months afterwards.

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In fact, between the time that this is purported to have happened, until the time that the doctor

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was able to sit down and discuss with the Hill what he was able to draw from him well over

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a year had left.

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I brought us up to 62, I'm willing to 60.

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Sorry, apparently it was hidden in the privateness of the doctor's office.

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And you somehow got wind and I won't try and find out how.

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Well, you're going to bear in mind this.

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It is the best therapy in the world when anyone has anything of an emotional nature bottled

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up within them to talk about it.

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Well, do you talk about it?

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Yes, they do.

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And they have been talking about it for quite some time.

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They haven't been talking about it in a showman-like way.

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This is something that they've had in private discussions with their own circle of friends.

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But if you were to have heard this story firsthand from a couple to whom this is supposed to have

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happened, how long could you keep quiet about it?

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How long could anybody keep quiet about it?

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It's so exciting, so fascinating.

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It's the thing that you want to tell other people.

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And ultimately this is how I got it.

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And I got it without any names, without any dates, without any time, just a general story.

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And a story that the person wanted to tell me more in an entertaining fashion than anything

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else because he didn't believe it but he thought it might be good for last, he kicks.

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But knowing of these rather strange things that have happened since the advent of the

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space age, nothing now is impossible.

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That's true.

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I have my own thoughts.

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Let us quickly go back to our own childhood.

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And we sat for hours in this little dream world that we created, reading Buck Rogers,

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reading Flash Gordon.

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And here, within the span of our own lifetime, these things that we're so far, far away have

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now achieved reality.

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Oh, I agree.

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I prefer that.

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So now nothing is impossible.

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And the whole thing sounded so way out.

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You know, where the words going into it.

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And I decided to go into it.

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And this involved a tremendous amount of research narrowing down the field of sightings to what

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could have corresponded to this general story.

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And then I got into the area of people that had specific information.

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And again, these people didn't want to disclose the name of the heroes.

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They wanted to protect them.

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They didn't want to expose them to anything that was born on public ridicule.

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And it took some doing to find out who these people were.

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And then to talk with them, to try to persuade them that the best interests of the general

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public would be served by them coming forward gratuitously in cooperating and telling this

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whole story.

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And this they didn't want to do.

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They didn't want to do because frankly, they thought they would be laughed right out of

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their own communities.

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And this they couldn't afford to do.

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And this is held as a professional person, a person of great capability.

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A person described by her supervisor of the New Hampshire State Department of Health and

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Welfare as one of the most talented, most dedicated women he's ever had.

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And a person whose emotional stability is just unquestioned.

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You know, this woman is solid.

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Her husband too is very much a pillar of his community of his church.

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Excuse me.

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So whether or not it be in the interest of science or whether or not it be furthering

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something which they may to a degree believe, they get to lay their lifetime on the right.

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They had to be willing to gamble if people wouldn't laugh at them.

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I don't think anyone has laughed, John.

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No.

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And I'd like to ask you a couple more questions.

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But we do have a commercial word right here now.

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It's 16 minutes after 11.

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John LaTroll, our guest, and we're talking about one of the most amazing happenings of our time.

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That girl for that jug, really gonna get the best man.

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If you can't say anything nice about your present cigarette, come on over to the L&M side just for the taste of it.

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Come on over to the L&M side.

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Come on over for the taste of it.

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Come on over, you'll be glad you did.

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Come on over to the L&M side.

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Just for the taste of it.

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Come on over to the L&M side.

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Come on over for the taste of it.

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Come on over, you'll be glad you did.

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Come on over to the L&M side.

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How about that taste?

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The L&M side is for people who want taste in a cigarette and plenty of it.

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Come on over just for the taste of it.

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Come on over, you'll be glad you did.

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Come on over to the L&M side.

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Come on over to the L&M side just for the taste of it.

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Well John, a moment ago you were saying that, I think we both agree that Nolan had laughed about this story.

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As a matter of fact, things today can happen as you pointed out.

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The last 50 years the broad changes that Nolan would believe would happen, but they have.

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So anything is believable.

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But let's get back to this couple now.

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You were saying, well in the sequence of the stories that unfolded under hypnosis,

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the people who had taken aboard the spaceship,

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they were subjected separately and simultaneously to a complete physical and intellectual examination.

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Questioned closely about life on earth,

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then reassured that they wouldn't have no conscious memory of this.

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And if they did, the memories would be so contradictory that this would set up a pattern of confusion in their own minds.

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This is something that they wouldn't even want to talk about to one another.

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They were taken back to that car.

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And now that conscious memory resumes.

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It resumes many, many miles down the road, now on route 4 on the employment.

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And they got home.

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There had to be a time lapse in there.

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Oh yes, there was a full two hour time lapse that they couldn't explain.

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And this lapse didn't really dawn on them then.

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Because the last thing they had consciously remembered was getting away from this thing that was hovering over that car.

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And it wasn't for some while after, it was probably well into the next day,

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because they became aware that somewhere along the line,

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two hours just dropped inexplicably out of their lives.

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What happened to it?

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At this point, they had a decision.

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They had seen what appeared to be a spaceship, a UFO, a thing, first from a distance, secondly up close.

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Should they tell anybody about this?

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Because no matter how well-intentioned people are, there's always the risk of being laughed at.

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And nobody else likes to be laughed at, true.

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So they decided that they were going to fulfill whatever obligation they had.

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And they called the P's Air Force Base in the Abra-New-Anton, the Living Portsmouth.

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And they decided that they would tell the Air Force only the first part.

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They had cited something, they were able to give an excellent description of its maneuvering, its direction,

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the size that is assumed.

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And I think the Air Force, as a good rule of thumb,

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asks you to hold a round object in your hand at arm's length, be it a dime, a quarter, an orange, a grapefruit.

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And correspondingly, how big did this appear at varying times?

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Well, it was the size of a dime at one point, it was the size of a quarter at another point, the size of an orange at another point.

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And the Air Force was very, very interested, very, very much so.

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Yes, they never bothered to come out and interview the Hill's personnel.

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They did this all by telephone within the next day or two.

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But then a strange thing happened.

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It was, oh, perhaps a week or two after this, perhaps a little longer, this is something I just cannot pinpoint.

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One of the base intelligence officers on a person-to-person basis somehow contrived the acquaintance and then the confidence of the Hill and got to talk with them.

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And it's my understanding that this officer also became a member of that church and had occasion to run into them socially, at church gatherings, church meetings.

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And in a very great fashion began to pump these people.

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And in fact, offered a little information of his own about the general subject of UFO sightings, hoping that this would empice these people to tell him a little bit more.

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But Barney Hill is himself a very astute gentleman.

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And he sensed that there was a reason for this.

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And immediately his defenses went up and I guess the officer sort of sensed this in the relationship broke off.

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But this is an experience that is completely thoroughly out of this world, but yet in so many ways so believable, so credible, and so much so that now in the year 1965, in the week just ended,

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we know that they have been innumerable teachers and in fact principals of entire schools that have made this series must reading for children under either current events or under science.

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And these children hopefully are going to be asked to prepare essays on whether or not they believe there's life in other worlds.

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Hmm. It's an amazing story, John. We'll be back talking a little bit more about it right after this word.

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All right, I'm now on the Allendary Sunday show, about 23 and a half minutes after 11 and our guest for this half hour is John McCrell who really wrote an amazing story in one of our local papers.

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And of course, Sue, we're trying to get a little more info out of them. I don't know if we've provided anything additionally, you know, from the article, John, but when you talk about UFOs, the question is always asked.

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For example, I'm very interested in the subject. Someone will ask me, do you really believe that there's life in this universe other than on Earth?

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And I can't help but believe as I look up into the heavens at night and see the multitude of galaxies and stars and moons and suns that are up there, that there has to be life somewhere else.

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It just all isn't there for looking at. So when a story like this comes out in a newspaper, I of course, like everybody else, scratch my head and say, well, maybe, maybe not.

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But I think it's so plausible that people really can't see their nose in spite of it, if you know what I mean.

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How do you feel?

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I think there's every reasonable assumption based upon a good, solid common sense that, yes, there are existences that are other worlds about which we know nothing.

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And look at the response of the best scientific brain that our country and this world have to offer.

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And you find this sharp division right down the middle of the scientific community.

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Believers and nonbelievers.

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Believers and nonbelievers.

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The nonbelievers essentially are those people who are so conservative that they absolutely have to have proof that just cannot be challenged.

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And perhaps this is a good thing. This is a good thing.

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And I think it's a good thing now that there are enough of their contemporaries.

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There are enough, perhaps, people like ourselves who are on the tails of the others just so they will never give up.

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There is so much to be learned.

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And I think perhaps we are just now standing on the threshold of a brilliant new existence that man and his wildest dreams could never envision.

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I think it's there.

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You know, we had Ray Fowler a couple of weeks ago.

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He was a night cat.

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And I asked him about the same questions that he believed it was actual visitors coming from outer space.

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And he more or less said yes, he did.

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He said that there were just too many unexplained sightings.

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You know, many of them have explained off as a balloon or natural phenomenon of some sort.

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But he said there are just too many that even the government can't put their finger on.

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And I'd like to read the minds of some of these people who have the dope on these.

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This 10% perhaps that some explained.

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Do you think they're holding anything back from it?

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Now that's a loaded question.

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Yeah, I know.

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I'm only unloaded this way.

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It appears apparent to me from what I've read.

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And I can only offer this opinion as a non-fientific person.

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I'm a newspaper man. I'm a reporter.

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With some God-given talent to be able to write.

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But I'm no scientist.

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He's not unloading on this one too quickly.

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Well, I don't know either.

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And I don't think Ray Fowler really knows.

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But it seems sometimes, Ray said to me, for example, he said,

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you know, let's assume there were visitors from somewhere.

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He said, do you think that people are ready to accept it?

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Or would they panic? Would they get frightened?

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What do you think?

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No, I don't think so.

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I think back in, I think it was at 38 or 39 when awesome world, you know, the world of the world,

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people were not as sophisticated as they are now.

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Now today, the firing of a rocket from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California.

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That was complete complacency.

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Complete complacency. It's just another thing.

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And I think people are sophisticated enough.

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But I think that most of them are still thirsting for an answer.

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I do too.

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Well, why don't we just let it sit right there, John?

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Some things are just unexplainable right now.